Myx says
It works in big communities. In small, like this, where each person has an important, it harms. They got a ban. Yes, maybe they change their mind. But what if not? What if they still totally unacceptable to play with some person? Does this mean, if they do not want, then you need to punish them? You can't force a person to want something by punishing. You can only make him give up something.
In bigger communities, you necessarily must be stricter than we are right now, because indeed, we're far too lenient and it's even what those people criticize. Your point is right though, anyone in this community is important and that's why we will not accept stupid behavior at the expense of the others. It's not about not doing what we want, we're not anyone's mother or something, but the forums and gathers have to follow rules that were created to keep a respectful atmosphere. A thief caught in the act for instance, you'll punish him for robbing stuff that didn't belong to him, right? You do it to protect the community, right? You do it to make sure he won't do it again and hurt the community?
Such actions aren't something tolerable. That's basically the case here, I'm fine with players not wishing to join a gather because Trademark is in, that's their right, their opinion. They're free to do whatever they want to. What isn't acceptable is to join a gather, notice that Trademark jumped in at the very last minute to get the slot and the possibility to play and then 3 or 4 people over 12 who decide to quit. It breaks the rules and prevents the other players who were supposedly here to play and have fun, to do so. So yes, it aims to protect the community. Are we supposed to defend those who were wrong or those who did nothing, who just meant to play? Or just leave it be and too bad, you joined the wrong gather.
Myx says
If they refuse to play with Trademark, and they refuse to refuse to do it (not sure that i translated it correctly), is it means, that community becomes stronger? I'm not sure. I think it is more likely to weaken the community than to help.
So you tolerate this kind of behavior? Those guys basically prevent Trademark but also all the other players who signed in for the record to play and enjoy a gather.
Myx says
Strict rules is good. Good for creating a strong community and attract new players. But we have problem, that no more new players come. It is necessary to hold that we have. It is necessary to be more tolerant to each other behavior.
I'd rather want to see a community dying with honesty and humanity than a community that survives a bit longer with no rules and promulgating some sort of segregation towards some players.
"One person's freedom ends where another's begins." If you let this kind of stuff appear, you'll see soon more of this stupid behavior.
Myx says
Those guys must be more tolerant to Trademark. And we must be more tolerant to their behavior, if they don't want to play with him. They didn't leave gather just for troll or fun. But because they have something unacceptable. And you are not accept this behavior. They not accept, and you not accept. This mean the split. Split is not good for community. No, of course it's good for big community, if you wanna split "bad" persons from "good" persons. It helps to keep a "good" (in their view) part of the community. But where the "bad" persons make up a big part of the community, split only destroy it.
This guys have conflict with Trademark. And you make a new conflict, trying to educate them. 2 conflicts worse than 1. Better 0, but if couldn't have less, is better to increase number?
We already know that we won't convince some players that Trademark deserves the right to play. We will not even try because it's wasted effort for nothing. What everyone has to remember and to understand is, you don't sign in if you don't wanna play. You don't sign in if you know people will start shouting out and bitching. But even if a gather doesn't suit you perfectly and you're in, fuck it, take on you and make an effort, what does an hour represent in your life? You would have played with someone you don't like, or something, too bad, you'll think about it next time. Same goes for Trademark who willingly joined a gather he knew he wouldn't have been welcomed. Sometimes you gotta think about the others, and not only yourself. So sorry to try to make some people understand that.
