Custom Maps Tourney

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#1
Since we have been missing some custom maps cup these last months, even before the Season 5 begins, I would like to know at what point you guys would be potentially motivated to sign up for why not, short and smaller tournaments than the regular and more classic custom maps cups. Let's say, a weekend or so fully dedicated to play on custom maps (playable enough for sure).

I am myself in love with all these custom maps (okay, not all but still some), most of them are currently "work in progress" but you all know Jambi already that has been added on the maps cycle for the past and current seasons. Everybody seems to have accepted playing this map and there are even many people that do prefer this awesome map more than some other officials. Caged for instance, is a such thrilling map to play on. Its creator made enormous changes lately (remember it for Season 4). However, you should be aware (if you're not already) that there are plenty of maps that need your attention, to improve, to evolve and the best, to make sure they could attempt to be ready for the next events and seasons, according to your conditions, what you're looking for when you're fighting on a map, making them balanced and at your liking. These maps need you and so their creators.

That's why I come to you in this thread, would you be willing to sign up for that kind of event if such were proposed by our staff? What do you think about that? If so, give us details and if not, why that?

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#2
I agree with shorter competitive event in all case.. And a shorter custom map event distributed over one or two days should be great :D
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#3
I'm all for more competitions for the comp scene. Small is good, big is good, somewhere in between is good.

Jambi, Caged, Mineral, maybe even Stratos.
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#4
Custom maps tournament would be grate, the only problem with playing it in one weekend is that if you need to find a date good for most of teams.

What maps will be played? Would like to see light, even though I haven't updated it for a month now :)
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#5
I personally dislike custom map cups, which is why I wouldn't sign up for one. I just have a general hate towards MOST custom maps, because of my own reasons.
That doesn't mean that you shouldn't let one happen though, it's fun to watch custom map matches (gorge casting couch COUGH). Just stating my own opinion towards signing up, cause you asked for it ;)
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20 December 2014 - 14:30 EST
#6
Yeah, I would participate. Draft style or normal teams?
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#7
I for one would be interested in playing these custom map tourneys, ive always loved testing out all the maps everyone creates. And i think this would work out really well because in the past not many people can commit to the weekly custom map playtest sessions. So i think this is a great oppurtunity for mappers and both the players that partake in the tourney.

In addition I dont play for a team ;) so if this tourney does happen, message me and ill happily join up to play in this tourney. :D

And id also like to suggest we add ns2_nyx to the map rotations. Currently under development by malx and a few others.
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PowerUP! will be happy to participate in this (ofc if it will not disband :D)
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#9
plz dont let teh gayme diez, playz dis tourneyz plox
moar maps, moar funz
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#10
I think this is a great idea. Even having an event taking place over 1 or 2 weeks could be done if there are enough people willing to participate.

I haven't played much lately myself, have been caught up in working with mineral and generally my studies as well as other games. I could see myself play in gather-style tournament events though!

This would be great for mappers as well, even just to watch matches provides a lot of information for us. The absolute best thing though, for me, is when competitive players voice their opinions on my map. Having the opportunity to get more of both would be perfect!
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#11
I'm not talking as team-captain anymore. But I know from the past cups, that one of the reasons why TAWsome/TAWific did not sign up to a cup, was that there were only quite high-level teams.

Personally I would like to play a custom map cup, but there should be more div3-4 teams in it, otherwise the stomp would be too hard for me, to be of interest.

If it would be combined with a draft, this could actually lead to more participating teams overall and evens out the teams. Organisations is of course harder, when doing so and there are team-captains needed.
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#12
I like the idea to do draft style custom map tourneys. Could span over two weekends maybe, like last draft tourney?
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#13
I like the idea. And with the latest patch we got a workaround for the steam workshop problem so it's time to promote some custom maps.
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#14
love that idea but could I participate if docking2 would be played aswell?
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My suggestions for upcoming cups, since I haven't looked much at the custom maps being created, except but skimming the first two pages on the UWE forums. It seems there could be plenty of potential out there. I will put my suggestions to times and formats, I pretty much support giving any map that have the basic game mechanics in place the chance to be played and get needed critic. I would love more diversity in the played maps. On that note, why don't we play eclipse in officials?

Custom map cup:
- Put out the signups as soon as possible
- Have it held at the second weekend in january; 9th-11th
- Make two seperate signups, one for the draft approach and one for team approach. When the signup ends, you can pick the tournament type depending on the amount of each type of signups. I believe there could be a wider range of players participating in a draft, but on the other hand, some teamleaders might convince their entire teams to participate if you have the team style tournament.

Preliminary Cup for the next season (NSL Winter Cup?)
- Put out signups as the first thing in 2015
- Have it held at the next two following weekends in january 16th-18th and 23th-25th - or just the last one if the amount of signups won't require two weekends for a group play with playoffs cup.
- This cup should be directed at the teams playing in the season, with a similar format, but more quickly executed.

Season:
- Put out signups as the first thing in 2015 (together with the "Winter Cup")
- Have it start at the 1st of February

Ladder:
- Have it start the same week the group play of the season ends.
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Thanks for your feedbacks. Very appreciated. I'm going to make a kind of poll asking you a few information such as: what kind of format would you be willing to play (draft, simple tournament with your team), maps that you'd be interested to play on, etc. I'll do that as soon as I can.

If you have any other idea, you're welcomed.
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Go draft or go home
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edit : oooooops ensl trolled me
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#19
We could sign up for a scheduled event, which would take place on 1, 2 or 3 days.
One admin make balanced teams of pick ups and let's play..

easy organization
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Thanks again for your feedbacks.

Here's the form to fill out.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1Y9Ivt_YmD7F3F8X9Hzb9xaHBf3DxVbKDzuQAA7CbAxA/viewform.
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Tico says
And id also like to suggest we add ns2_nyx to the map rotations. Currently under development by malx and a few others.


This part.

Leave the pinwheel map hugbox. Play some maps that require more dynamic rotations.

I'm not biased nor was I coached to say this.
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#22
Gather style custom map cup +1
Team custom map cup -1
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Wob says
Gather style custom map cup +1
Team custom map cup -1

+1
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MV says
Wob says
Gather style custom map cup +1
Team custom map cup -1

+1


+1
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Wob says
Gather style custom map cup +1
Team custom map cup -1


I guess the bennefit of Gather style custom map cup are:

You only find only some people in every team that are actualy willing to test new maps so you end up with more teams then with a team custom map cup so more matches will get played on more maps.



The bennefits of Team custom map cup are:

You will have a Team that is used to play together with good teamplay and thats the easist way to figure out good strategies and weekpoints of unknown maps. (since people dont need to get used to each other first).




So what is your guess which Custom map cup leads to more good mapfeedback for the mappers ??

And which Custom map cup will identify weakpoints of maps the best so the ensl map pool can grow with "liked maps like veil, tram, summit, jambi" instead of more decent, biodome, kodiak.



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Mega_noComm says
Wob says
Gather style custom map cup +1
Team custom map cup -1


I guess the bennefit of Gather style custom map cup are:

You only find only some people in every team that are actualy willing to test new maps so you end up with more teams then with a team custom map cup so more matches will get played on more maps.



The bennefits of Team custom map cup are:

You will have a Team that is used to play together with good teamplay and thats the easist way to figure out good strategies and weekpoints of unknown maps. (since people dont need to get used to each other first).




So what is your guess which Custom map cup leads to more good mapfeedback for the mappers ??

And which Custom map cup will identify weakpoints of maps the best so the ensl map pool can grow with "liked maps like veil, tram, summit, jambi" instead of more decent, biodome, kodiak.





The maps are fairly new except ns2_mineral & ns2_caged. In that case I think these maps should be played really often to get a lot of feedback and later on more deep.
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#27
One thing i'd like to point out; you need some incentive for teams to play custom maps.
What I did, was to announce that only the participating players/teams could vote whether or not maps would get accepted into the season map rotation. People would like to have a say, so that forced many teams to sign up and play even though they weren't too happy playing custom maps.

A gather/draft style cup could likely bring in more participants, but I think it should be up to the teams that also participate in the season and not individuals that may or may not be playing the season at all. With incentive as mentioned above, I think you would see a similar turnout on participating teams as you would with individual participants in a gather/draft style scenario.

And finally, hold the event during a single weekend, smooth and quick.
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One thing i'd like to point out; you need some incentive for teams to play custom maps.
What I did, was to announce that only the participating players/teams could vote whether or not maps would get accepted into the season map rotation. People would like to have a say, so that forced many teams to sign up and play even though they weren't too happy playing custom maps.


+1

so people have a motivation to play there.

but please make the custom map cup over 1 week so all games get played.
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