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Kash

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After posting my own comment, I've gone back and read everything in this thread.... I've decided to alter my outlook a little... because of this.

GORGEous says

Combine Premier and Div1 or just scrap Premier all together. There's no point in playing a season 6 with 3 teams in premier. Divs should have 6 - 10 teams in them so you get a good distribution of games and don't play the same team every other week. Just adding 1-2 teams to premier isn't the best solution because the teams will probably just fold like in season 5.

I'm not sure what's wrong with having a large div1 and just allowing everyone to play one match? Sure, most of the div1 teams are likely to lose to Titus/DIY, but the challenge then becomes simply taking games from them. Winning even 1 or 2 of the rounds could put a team at a big advantage over the other teams. And if you really have a problem with potentially losing a match, then guess what -- you only play that team once!

So, why not, using sephy solution #3... merge prem with div 1.... div 2 with 3... and div 4 with div 5.

thus making 3 divisions

"Prem Div" - Prem + Div 1
"Div 1" - Div 2 + Div 3
"Div 2" - Div 4 + Div 5.

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BauerJankins says

The problem about that is that people won't be motivated to play because they want to win. What's the point in playing a season if you have no chance at winning the season.... I guess that's the opinion of some people and it should be understandable for everyone

This sounds like a "everyone wins" mentality which is a bit ridiculous in my opinion. Should people be playing to win the league, or do as best as they can and beating the challenges they set themselves? Should they be rewarded for doing the best they can, or should only the ultimate winners be "rewarded". (There isn't even a reward really). Should the leagues tailor the standard so that more people "get" something?

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Iots

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We play to have fun, getting stomped by majority of the teams in your division is not fun. It's a close step from just forfeiting the season.

I have no problems combining prem+div1, i can't say for the other divisions because i don't really know them, or how good they are or how they compare to each other. As long as the season doesnt last too long, a larger division wouldn't be a problem for me personally at least.

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swalk

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Wob says

BauerJankins says
The problem about that is that people won't be motivated to play because they want to win. What's the point in playing a season if you have no chance at winning the season.... I guess that's the opinion of some people and it should be understandable for everyone

This sounds like a "everyone wins" mentality which is a bit ridiculous in my opinion. Should people be playing to win the league, or do as best as they can and beating the challenges they set themselves? Should they be rewarded for doing the best they can, or should only the ultimate winners be "rewarded". (There isn't even a reward really). Should the leagues tailor the standard so that more people "get" something?

Can only agree with Wob here.
There will always be someone at the buttom of a division, who will have all odds against them, I think it's a question of mentality. If you truly like to play to win, you do your best, even if you know that your best might not cut it. Winning against someone better than you should be the most rewarding thing by playing and you would do your best to try and beat the odds. Not everyone can win but you can still take pride in beating other teams or just taking rounds from them or even just staying in the game for a period of time, killing their best player or another type of goal, if they are better than you. Pride is basicly the only reward you can get besides from a spot on the Hall of Fame.

But yeah, many people lack a true play-to-win mentality, they just want wins and rewards served on a silver platter and they give up quickly if it doesn't seem to go that way.

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dePARA

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Im sure every team that playing a season is doing this to win rounds/matches.
All this "we playing this only for fun" is just laughable.

If a team get there ass kicked again and again they disband.

Did someone knows the MMO Archlord?
The basic idea of this game was:
One player can become the Archlord for a given time. (i think it was one week but im not sure) Thats was the highest character/reward in this game.
So what happened that this game failed?
There people out there with a RL (work, family or whatever) and it was impossible for these players to become the archlord cause they cant invest the needed time.
Workless nerds heaven.
So the whole game was pointless cause 90% didnt had any chance to reach the goal.
And the game failed hard.

Back to NS2:
Its a bit pointless to play a season with zero chance of winning it.

But thats only my personal opinion.

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swalk says

But yeah, many people lack a true play-to-win mentality, they just want wins and rewards served on a silver platter and they give up quickly if it doesn't seem to go that way.

^This.....
It's not my own opinion, it's what some people might think....

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Myx

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Guys, FunnyBubblers 100% not 2 div. This is mistake.

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Myx says

Guys, FunnyBubblers 100% not 2 div. This is mistake.

+1 Division 2 is not our level

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Snix

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Kash says

After posting my own comment, I've gone back and read everything in this thread.... I've decided to alter my outlook a little... because of this.

So, why not, using sephy solution #3... merge prem with div 1.... div 2 with 3... and div 4 with div 5.

thus making 3 divisions

"Prem Div" - Prem + Div 1
"Div 1" - Div 2 + Div 3
"Div 2" - Div 4 + Div 5.

Seems like the most reasonable idea yet. Skill difference in the lower Divs isn't as much of a problem as in higher ones. And I can still not see the point in having Divs with four teams, which would be the result if we didn't merge Divs (accouting for dropout, drama, etc.).
Three Divs + Playoffs is the way to go and would make for a lot more excitement (and uncertainty).

If it's gonna stay a 5 Div Season:

Myx says

Guys, FunnyBubblers 100% not 2 div. This is mistake.

+1

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east

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lol

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Alright, updated my seedings and division splits a bit. I've come up with two solutions from the responses in this thread.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wWe7q_CNXUYpBTLYzT8LOdd4CzpV_ZvKpoGjjIB6Ktw/edit#gid=0

First solution is keep a small prem div and have it crossplay with div 1. Div 1 is twice the size of prem div and the div 1 teams will only play one prem div team during the season, the prem div teams will play 2 different div 1 teams. The crossplay could potentially be problematic as the prem div teams will play different teams and that might be unfair, hence why I dont like this idea that much. This solution means 8 weeks of group play and 2 weeks of playoffs. 10 week season.

The second solution (which is the one I like the most) is to have higher amount of teams in the divisions and split the divisions into groups. While this means a higher difference in skill in the division groups, I think it offers more varied games for everyone and we could have an exciting season from it. The buttom divisions will keep their low division counts and not have groups, to decrease skill difference in those divisions, they need that more than anyone else. This solution means 5 weeks of group play and 2 weeks of playoffs. 7 week season.

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1uLE-vJUSLqhOqQD8bkJqNZ6VoBqfoQ70UHr8F6da1HI/edit#gid=0

is this for real?

Swap TAWific and Destinys Child for sure....

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ryssk

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So which seeding is the Official? Can you please post it on the 1st post and edit "Das Fürhrers" post? CBA to go trough 4 pages of gibberish along the way.. + im too fucking lazy as always...

This is the captain speaking... over n out

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We'd be better off with a ladder for the high divs rather than mess around with cross divisional play in season, or segmenting small divisions into even smaller divisions. Or a 4 team premier which will likely result in one of the teams folding.

With a ladder if you aren't good enough to hang with the teams that are considered premier, you don't have to play them all season long.

The hardest part about moving to a ladder system would be determining season length and time allowed between matches since most teams can't play each other except on weekends unless they're NA vs NA and EU vs EU.

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Niitze

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How about creating two prem/div1 divs: A and B, where EU teams are in A and NA teams in B.

Pros
- NA vs EU hype
- easier to arrange matches
- low ping in groups
- about 6 teams per group is nice
- finals and semifinals would be more exciting because the teams havent played against each other in officials yet
- no need to forcibly move some div1 teams to prem ( because all of them would ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) )

Cons
- Absolutely not a single con! EVERYTHING IS AWESOME
- mb higher ping in finals and semis (would most likely have it anyway)
- and not a perfect split between EU and NA teams ( 7 EU teams and 5 NA) unless someone wants to play in NA group

Edit: 4 NA and 1 AU but it probably should be in the NA group

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Mephilles

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I haven't read the last couple of posts in this thread but pls make prem div larger... 6 teams at least. No one wants a premiere division like last season I think

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LolkaBot

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We again put in Division 2. This is wrong.
RadicaL_GER more in line Div2

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Iots

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Niitze for president. Even his negatives are AWESOME.

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infamous

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but Niitze where do part NA part EU teams fit in? :O

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Niitze

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infamous says

but Niitze where do part NA part EU teams fit in? :O

More than 50% americans? Boom, american team
More than 50% EUs? Boom, european

Edit: Although, one team would have to sacrifice themselves for greater good, since there are less div1 and prem NA teams. OR we take someone with potential from div2 and lump it in there. OR someone from NA comes out big with some new _HUGE_ team that saves the day and dominates the scene for centuries to come.

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herakles

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Niitze idea is great, EU div 1 and NA div 1.

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east

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Edit: I suck

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Best idea!
Niitse For new NSL headadmin

Many good players and teams left already because NS2 is for sure not high ping optimized if there is enough teams to do what niitse suggest im up for it!

Who ever had the idea in the past to put together NA/AUS/EU/KR seemd to have no clue

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ryssk

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The problem with the hitreg could be solved, with the same as they did for Battlefield 2.. where the hitreg was horrible!

The program itself, adjusts your hit registration by calculating the serverside ping against client.

http://www.autohotkey.com/board/topic/32887-battlefield-hitfixer-fixes-hitreg-for-bf22142/

But i dont know how it's possible in Valve games?

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the hitreg is not the problem in highping games its the netcode i guess

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Narkoweed says

new seeding :
Prem
Do it yourself
Titus Gaming
Lucky Chams
Yggdrasil
Ryan Mitchell
DoctorsWithoutGorges
SHAFT
el'pheer
HBZ
Handwashers
Eclipsed
tau-9
The Leftovers
Destiny's Child
TkM

Div 2
TAWific
Natural Erection_
Get Spit On
GIEF ROBOT
RadicaL_GER
FunnyBubblers
AustrianDeathMachine
TAWsome
Eternal Squad
A Certain Vermin
Der Blanke
Urban Myth
United Lowbobs
TAWtaly Clueless
RAWR
His Majesty's Ship
Sled Team One

thx "almost ladder" season

What this smart beautiful man said.

We should have open and invite leagues with invite being made of of the decent teams and open being not so great teams. You can have seeding matches at the beginning of each season where open teams can challenge an invite team to move up and eliminate that team from invite. This should keep invite teams on their toes. This way we have two ladders and the talent can be noticed easier.

Similar to early NS1.

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Ryssk says

The problem with the hitreg could be solved, with the same as they did for Battlefield 2.. where the hitreg was horrible!

The program itself, adjusts your hit registration by calculating the serverside ping against client.

http://www.autohotkey.com/board/topic/32887-battlefield-hitfixer-fixes-hitreg-for-bf22142/

But i dont know how it's possible in Valve games?

send it to the Comp-mod team @ UWE forum

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Kaneh

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Ryssk says

The problem with the hitreg could be solved, with the same as they did for Battlefield 2.. where the hitreg was horrible!

The program itself, adjusts your hit registration by calculating the serverside ping against client.

http://www.autohotkey.com/board/topic/32887-battlefield-hitfixer-fixes-hitreg-for-bf22142/

But i dont know how it's possible in Valve games?

gratz, you discovered interpolation and extrapolation, the key cornerstones of all online FPS gaming. If you paid attention, they unlocked these settings early on in the CDT but there's an engine bug causing desyncs, which they are working on but is complex/lack of proper engine access.

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swalk

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@nitseee If you want to split a division into two groups, you can't just split them on regards to location. You need to split them in regards to skill of the teams, the groups should be about equally strong. It should be equally hard to win each group.

Bad idea imo, sorry.

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swalk says

@nitseee If you want to split a division into two groups, you can't just split them on regards to location. You need to split them in regards to skill of the teams, the groups should be about equally strong.

Bad idea imo, sorry.

SHUT YOUR FACE OR WE WILL DO IT FOR YOU.

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