Why are u ppl getting so personal for no reason? It's a simple thing you're trying to decide on here: limit picmic or not? If you think it's worth reconsidering, try to present its advantages in a clear fashion and dont mix anything else into it.

Poll's speaking against this config and on the paper it's an obvious advantage. How far does it get you though and is there anything disadvantageous? Well if you have anything to say for it, better speak up now.

just tried picmip 2 and 3.. they mess up the minimap and ingame text which is a massive disadvantage.. picmip 1 is a clear advantage though... still nothing compared to customising the ingame sounds and things like removing muzzleflash etc.

@ weezer

ofc. different fps change firerate and stuff but the thing is that you can set a limit for example 200 fps max. So the range and the difference is not too big. It is not me being selfish at all. I am not accusing Tane to cheat or something, i am just disappointed by him, you just try to defend your finish mate and you dont really are successful at doing so, because there is no offence. It is a future thought but you dont understand this youre going the same way like trc. Seeing some "offence looking sentences" forgetting about the rest and just blind writing shit.

@TrC
"Wtf is your point in MMORPGS, tweaking is happening like anywhere else everyone doesnt have server running nextdoor and in games where claiming monsters
häving 0.1 sec delay to 2sec delay theres obvioosly difference."

TrC I think you dont get the point. Ping is not that important in MMORPGs. And the point is that the range between max and min is not too big. So you cleary get some equality. You cannot deny that.

@Elvisq
noone requests fps_max 60. Low fps dont help you at all while high fps do. A limit like 200 fps_max is ok. Everyone will claim to get his best fps out of it and if he fails to do so because of bad hadware setup you cannot help him. The point is not to stay behind the technological development.

@Miglez++
I agree that config has only limited possibilities and therefore is no usual cheat, but look at commands like cl_cmdupdaterate or updaterate if you fuck them you will warp like shit. This is better than everylagcheat.


@qin
I am trying to do so but then comments like 'Almaty you are bad learn 2 caps.'
and the thing gets personal :P
however i dont care what trc is saying HES A NOOB ANYWAY.

The fact that you answer and do not type in lolcaps anymore is proof that you care.

What the point in limiting 200fps if its the best?

I'm afraid you havent played high-level gaming in MMORPGs if you seriously believe in what you say.

And its personal

Like frG said I'm surprised that there's a 2-sided discussion here: it's white walling however you look at it. I'm not so surprised to see Finnish people saying it's acceptable and non-Finnish people saying it should be banned.

"haha Tane your golden times have been 4-3 years ago?
What was better than your marine or your not existing movement in a game which depends so hard on movement.
You also have to admit that you play less than you played before. Don't just blame the setting thats stupid man. But nice try to move the topic."

Almaty don't make it personal. This is about white walling not flaming.

If NS2 gets released in a playable state in the next month or two then we won't see any more NS1 leagues, which should give everyone a fresh start. But what is/isn't allowed should be made clear for NS2.

tane:
I have used gl_picmic 3 just over year so I'm sorry to disappoint those who though that simple command made me player I am. I think most of you agree that my "golden age" was about 4-3 years ago. It seems that this "hax" actually made me worse player than I used to be! Such an advantage indeed!

I don't understand either how can you compare my configs to whitewalls. In my walls original color of the wall don’t change. By the way it is really nice that you keep posting that one ss were walls are really bright normally over and over again and ingore other ss. To be honest when I did get information to use picmic3 I had hard time to decide would that even actually make my configs better. But sure it gave advantage but it didn't gave bigger advantage than new mouse or new headsets and definitely not as big advantage as 120 Hz monitor. I actually asked admins during season 11-12 to take more ss so this proofs that I never thought gl_picmic3 to be hax. I have also always been open my configs and people have seen ss from my configs before this and some of them were admins.

I do understand that you think gl_picmic3 gives way too big advantage but like Nade already point out picmic3 isn't only problem. If my computer could handle 200fps and I had to choose which command I want to keep in my configs picpim3 or fps_max200 I would choose fps_max. I have played this game with 200fps and its way smoother and have bigger rof than 111fps. The two most important things in shooting. Also I would like to remind you that sprite manipulation we see in NLpack also gives one advantage over other who doesn't use it. Unlike in picmic3 you need much more "secret knowledge" to use nlpack than in picpim3. Were we put the line?

I never thought gl_picmic3 to be equal to whitewalls and I thought it was common knowledge. If this community decides that it gives way too big advantage I’m more than happy own your ass without it like I used to.

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ok, i cannot agree nl pack gives that big of advantage when you compare it to gl_picmip 3, nl pack is just simply an imporvment for competitive community which fana and few others gave us to be exact we throw away all the things we didnt like in game and thought of the as being useless it happens in many other games they are usually called "promods", as for gl_picmip 3 it gives an advantage, yes i've tryed it few times and i could a lot easier track, detect skulks since the image is not that messy as it normaly is.
also i'd say one thing a good player is a good player he doesnt have to brawl about how good is he, unlike the bad one, who has to keep talking about how good he is.
i've never seen you cfg neither your screenshots since i'm not the admin and maybe i've put way too much my trust into admins that they didnt find some certain things that give you an advantage over other in clan wars.

I tried gl_picmip 3 today, and my walls din't look like the walls in tane's screenshot (especially the c-12 one). Most of them was exactly the same as usual. It was more about some roof and ground textures (like the ground in topo, wich was more like one HUGE BIG texture). It didn't help me to track skulks at all, it was even harder. And on some maps, my minimap just disappears. So I don't know if I did something wrong, or if tane uses more things I don't know like gl_picmip. But for what I've seen, I wouldn't care if people uses this command to gain some fps.

But ofc the whitewalls like mp did should be forbidden. For the tane's ones I don't know.

Obviously the only way to settle this up is with pistols at dawn:

TrC ive played lineage 2 for a very long time and the connection didnt seem to be as important as it is in ns or even CS.

TrC aA gave you the answer to the fps thingi...

It is just like sherpa said. Finish people are defending the command and their mates instead of opening their eyes for the reality.
I agree with your sherpa although

'You also have to admit that you play less than you played before. Don't just blame the setting thats stupid man.'

is no whine but reality.

lol you should see some of the crap people use in ffxi to gain an advantage :p and the mods never do aught about it, you can literally steal things before they even spawn or automate pretty much any job in the game :P
they do atleast clamp down on people who dupe items and teleport across the map though (but the fact they can do such things scare me :P)

-there was something relevent here that I deleted cause it sounded well shit :P-

LOL Tane, everyone knows Levi were ALL using whitewalls.

And don't try to deny it because plenty of the clan admitted it to me already...

Levi is failure

lol cheating or h4x is so poor in a game like NS.

not only in a game like ns...

I bet i could hit skulks if i had those mp walls :/
Share it or ban it.

you know in the old days cheaters got tarred and feathered.

BAN IT MULKMULKMULKM

I thought this is the way to deal with cheaters

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_qASTb81LI

This issue will be discussed for next season. Most likely, and according to what people think on the vote anyays, we will not let people play with configs changing the game as much as that config does.

However, dark areas seem to be pitch black (at least in tanes screenshot), so i wonder do dark spots get darker with this tweak?

I know a border that shouldn't be crossed!

Georgian borders!

Almost to easy.

We just need more yo clan admins! Every single haxxor will be banned on instant ! And all the gather idlers too !

Lets talk about KFOR ? :P

the question is, when was the part about gl_commands removed from the rules page, and why wasnt i informed B<

Wow, this still going on?

Im going to pretend for a moment that this topic really is about white walls and "fair play" though Im pretty sure it wouldnt even exist had this concerend a player from a different team. The "Tane effect" can be achieved by getting the right combination of gl_picmip and gl_texturemode though he does have some extra magic going since his hud text and sprites are fine and dandy instead of messy unrecognisable blobs. Ofcourse if you want to make a big deal about it, it sure helps to pick a screenshot of a specific part of the map that looks especially plain.

gl_picmip is pretty much a last resort for those people who just cant get stable fps, and it dosnt only apply to old computers but new ones too due to the problems new hardware tends to have with the outdated engine (mainly lights: muzzleflash, PG blinking, ect...)

If the admins decide to put a cap on the setting I wont argue, but concidering most people already use gamma correction and a load of tweaks I dont see much of a point...

I neither need sv_cheats 1 or consistency off nde.

Then you need to pm me. If its D3D mode I know answer already

And i didn't post the way how i made this on purpose TO NOT PUBLISH IT.
gg Nade.

I dont care (same goes to zamma :D). You kidds have so many problems in these games xD Like many said if its a problem, solution is really simple: Jiriki puts simple code to ensl plugin

"Even "aA fps_max 200" should be blocked if you ask me (cl_rate wont be enough). Or we could block certain fps areas wich will give better gunfire.. There is so much to improve if we just want to do it (the old shit buggy HL1 engine).. like Ziggy said there is badder ass stuff to cheat than picmip 3."

this influences a game by such a low level that it doesn't matter.
I rather play with 125 fps than with 76 although 76 has a better gunfire rate.

Yes if you don't get why 200 should be blocked.. Reason is that client network rate (9999. I dont get why they blocked it, maybe they thought that fps_max 100 is enaugh.. Dunno) is way too low for that even with cl_cmdbackup 0. For fps influences it was just example how to get little advantage

Gamma/brightness hax > ugly picmic3


But.. Happy new Year to everyone!

Nade

Then you need to pm me. If its D3D mode I know answer already

its not. And i dont feel to pm you.

Nade

I dont care (same goes to zamma :D). You kidds have so many problems in these games xD Like many said if its a problem, solution is really simple: Jiriki puts simple code to ensl plugin

Jiriki will get to know if he needs to. You =! Jiriki.